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[GamerOfGamers]

break block is a feature that will work for 1.7.10 if you use an external autoclicker. The 1.8.9 hit delay messes up with external autoclicker break block.

hypixel only supports 1.8+

 

[GamerOfGamers]

this is pretty late to the conversation but tbh i think the reason some people used lunar with v4 (when it was injectable) was because not many people knew v4 was injectable into lunar and everyone on lunar client cant really cheat other than autoclicker (i might be wrong but from my understanding, autoclicker WAS the only kind of cheat that worked with lunar) and people thought everyone was legit who played on lunar client, because of the icon next to the players name that indicated that they played on lunar, and it kinda helped the closet to legit player settings becuase not only was lunar a good client but the fact that even tho they were cheating to such little extent, no one knew and it made them seem as legit players. While usually when Im on lunar client and I encounter a player without the lunar icon next to their name they seem to cheat. I personally think these mods that would be added vape are a good idea but if you have the lunar client style fps or mods, and someone fights you but you dont have the icon next to your name could be some kind of problem with acting legit. I might be totally wrong but thats why I enjoyed using lunar with v4.


Now yes,
if v4 was coded to support lunar then the word will spread and lunar will have to act fast and the players will figure out that lunar isnt a legit player client anymore but thats just my view of it. I just had to get this off my mind.

 

[jdjefnejrenjr]

this is pretty late to the conversation but tbh i think the reason some people used lunar with v4 (when it was injectable) was because not many people knew v4 was injectable into lunar and everyone on lunar client cant really cheat other than autoclicker (i might be wrong but from my understanding, autoclicker WAS the only kind of cheat that worked with lunar) and people thought everyone was legit who played on lunar client, because of the icon next to the players name that indicated that they played on lunar, and it kinda helped the closet to legit player settings becuase not only was lunar a good client but the fact that even tho they were cheating to such little extent, no one knew and it made them seem as legit players. While usually when Im on lunar client and I encounter a player without the lunar icon next to their name they seem to cheat. I personally think these mods that would be added vape are a good idea but if you have the lunar client style fps or mods, and someone fights you but you dont have the icon next to your name could be some kind of problem with acting legit. I might be totally wrong but thats why I enjoyed using lunar with v4.


Now yes,
if v4 was coded to support lunar then the word will spread and lunar will have to act fast and the players will figure out that lunar isnt a legit player client anymore but thats just my view of it. I just had to get this off my mind.

i’m starting to understand why they don’t make support for 3rd party clients after reading what James said:
“
The reason we haven't bypassed Lunar yet (and this applies to BAC [not BLC] as well) is more towards the feasibility of doing it on as large a scale as we would have to, in order to incorporate it into the Vape brand. Obviously, the technology these kinds of software use is effective, otherwise we would have already bypassed their protections. Yes, there are likely some programs out there that bypass these technologies, but those exist (and will continue to exist) because they are less popular, and less used. Hence, they are less of a problem, because not a lot of people use them and they are very hard to find, therefore their contribution to the "cheating problem" is a drop in the bucket.

Vape is such a massive force in this community that at this point, even if we were to find a way to effectively bypass the protections on these clients, it would immediately be Lunar (or whatever company's) highest priority to fix our bypass and patch it. You can see what I'm talking about with cheats in CS:GO, and other games which have driver-level anti-cheats. Yes, cheats exist for those games, but they are very limited in features, as well as availability and barrier to entry. Any of our products bypassing these protections would result in a massive influx of cheaters to the servers using these protections, and with BAC in particular they'd have an immediate financial incentive to patch our bypass, because otherwise, the value of their service (to prevent cheating at as large a scale as possible) is nil.

Just by looking at Vape's economics and client base, you can see why my arguments make sense. We make our money by having a massive user base. Inherently, a bypassing cheat for driver-level anti-cheats must be a hidden service, which is exactly why it doesn't work with our products, our brand, and company. The investment (time, money, research, development, etc) required for us to properly, lastingly bypass a driver level anti-cheat would be immense because of the scale of our user base, and the potential return on our investment would not be worth it, because of what I said above: we have too many users, and would create a massive influx of cheaters, and our bypass would be patched ASAP.”

 

[GamerOfGamers]

i’m starting to understand why they don’t make support for 3rd party clients after reading what James said:
“
The reason we haven't bypassed Lunar yet (and this applies to BAC [not BLC] as well) is more towards the feasibility of doing it on as large a scale as we would have to, in order to incorporate it into the Vape brand. Obviously, the technology these kinds of software use is effective, otherwise we would have already bypassed their protections. Yes, there are likely some programs out there that bypass these technologies, but those exist (and will continue to exist) because they are less popular, and less used. Hence, they are less of a problem, because not a lot of people use them and they are very hard to find, therefore their contribution to the "cheating problem" is a drop in the bucket.

Vape is such a massive force in this community that at this point, even if we were to find a way to effectively bypass the protections on these clients, it would immediately be Lunar (or whatever company's) highest priority to fix our bypass and patch it. You can see what I'm talking about with cheats in CS:GO, and other games which have driver-level anti-cheats. Yes, cheats exist for those games, but they are very limited in features, as well as availability and barrier to entry. Any of our products bypassing these protections would result in a massive influx of cheaters to the servers using these protections, and with BAC in particular they'd have an immediate financial incentive to patch our bypass, because otherwise, the value of their service (to prevent cheating at as large a scale as possible) is nil.

Just by looking at Vape's economics and client base, you can see why my arguments make sense. We make our money by having a massive user base. Inherently, a bypassing cheat for driver-level anti-cheats must be a hidden service, which is exactly why it doesn't work with our products, our brand, and company. The investment (time, money, research, development, etc) required for us to properly, lastingly bypass a driver level anti-cheat would be immense because of the scale of our user base, and the potential return on our investment would not be worth it, because of what I said above: we have too many users, and would create a massive influx of cheaters, and our bypass would be patched ASAP.”

u have totally won this argument haha, but i just wanted to state out a reason why I used it and a couple others have possibly used it, I completely understand what you mean by this, the user base and the community of vape is so immense that any thing new whether its a new feature or a new bypass or anything new really will get spread like wildfire, its practically impossible to make vape a private client now because of how known it is, and even if vape just suddenly becomes private with some verification so that only buyers or users can access stuff like this but thats also gonna cause a lot of problems because not only people passionate about this client will be there but also people such as "snitches" which will leak all the new information vape has to offer, vape and the community has grown to such extent that making it private is practically impossible without any issues.

To tie in this argument with a question that has been asked pretty frequently i'd say by new users who are asking for a discord server about this, now Yes, its possible and pretty easy to make it so if there were to be a discord server about vape we'd be able to make it so discord cant take it down (or will have a harder time to find it) but its going to be a cat and mouse game just as Manthe said on page 3 (yes its possible and very easy to make vape particularly compatible with a third party client, but the client will keep patching this and it will become a cat and mouse game) but long term its not useful and would be a pretty big waste of time, dont get me wrong, it would be really cool and much more effective if there was a vape discord but I personally think a forums works just as well.

tl;dr its not worth adding all this support and shit like that as its all just a huge waste of time lol

 

[jdjefnejrenjr]

u have totally won this argument haha, but i just wanted to state out a reason why I used it and a couple others have possibly used it, I completely understand what you mean by this, the user base and the community of vape is so immense that any thing new whether its a new feature or a new bypass or anything new really will get spread like wildfire, its practically impossible to make vape a private client now because of how known it is, and even if vape just suddenly becomes private with some verification so that only buyers or users can access stuff like this but thats also gonna cause a lot of problems because not only people passionate about this client will be there but also people such as "snitches" which will leak all the new information vape has to offer, vape and the community has grown to such extent that making it private is practically impossible without any issues.

To tie in this argument with a question that has been asked pretty frequently i'd say by new users who are asking for a discord server about this, now Yes, its possible and pretty easy to make it so if there were to be a discord server about vape we'd be able to make it so discord cant take it down (or will have a harder time to find it) but its going to be a cat and mouse game just as Manthe said on page 3 (yes its possible and very easy to make vape particularly compatible with a third party client, but the client will keep patching this and it will become a cat and mouse game) but long term its not useful and would be a pretty big waste of time, dont get me wrong, it would be really cool and much more effective if there was a vape discord but I personally think a forums works just as well.

tl;dr its not worth adding all this support and shit like that as its all just a huge waste of time lol

agreed, i know vape is intended to be for closet cheating but not to the extent that people want (such as using vape on lunar, badlion, etc) to seem even more legit. i think their choice in this matter is smart for the future of their company and player base, especially since they have the largest player base out of every other hacked/ghost client.

about making a vape discord, i had an idea on that to eliminate the amount of snitching. what if they were to make a discord and only invite vape users who have owned a version of vape for a certain amount of time (ex: 30-60 days). it’s not exactly special access, but it would make it slightly harder for people to snitch and get info. of course the forums could still be here for people to get updates on the client, but the more secrete info could be in the discord with a low chance of getting leaked. anyways, just an idea i had, nothing too special.

lastly, i think they should continue what they're doing with vape and leave it to the less known/underrated clients to bypass the 3rd party clients (lunar, badlion), so that way clients like lunar and badlion can still deem people as legit to an extent

 

[GamerOfGamers]

agreed, i know vape is intended to be for closet cheating but not to the extent that people want (such as using vape on lunar, badlion, etc) to seem even more legit. i think their choice in this matter is smart for the future of their company and player base, especially since they have the largest player base out of every other hacked/ghost client.

about making a vape discord, i had an idea on that to eliminate the amount of snitching. what if they were to make a discord and only invite vape users who have owned a version of vape for a certain amount of time (ex: 30-60 days). it’s not exactly special access, but it would make it slightly harder for people to snitch and get info. of course the forums could still be here for people to get updates on the client, but the more secrete info could be in the discord with a low chance of getting leaked. anyways, just an idea i had, nothing too special.

lastly, i think they should continue what they're doing with vape and leave it to the less known/underrated clients to bypass the 3rd party clients (lunar, badlion), so that way clients like lunar and badlion can still deem people as legit to an extent

Yea I mean all these are good ideas it’s just the fact that we should let the devs work on the main parts of all of this, we can just give feedback and the vape devs are just fucking amazing cuz they actually listen to the community, unlike devs for other clients, Manthe actually likes feedback and takes everything into consideration. yes all of these discord ideas are great but as I said before it’s basically going to come a cat and mouse game. But who knows. anything can happen

 

[Soitkig]

@Manthe i've got a easier suggestion so what you need here that wont take you that much work is using the cheatbreaker offline client make vape injectable into it and there's already everything everyone wants there such as fps boost the fps boost there is even better then lunar and i'm pretty sure every here knows that cheatbreaker client doesn't get updated anymore so you can make this 1 version for it and done all the mods are already there.

 

[sed]

@Manthe i've got a easier suggestion so what you need here that wont take you that much work is using the cheatbreaker offline client make vape injectable into it and there's already everything everyone wants there such as fps boost the fps boost there is even better then lunar and i'm pretty sure every here knows that cheatbreaker client doesn't get updated anymore so you can make this 1 version for it and done all the mods are already there.

If this is possible then I ageee entirely, it feels exactly like lunar and has NO protection what so ever. Not to mention the free cosmetics and FPS boost included

 

[gaymoreboy80]

Nope, would just instantly load when vape is loaded. It's not actual "mods" that have to be loaded, just the same functionality integrated directly into vape, not separately loaded.

I still don’t think that using all this time would be worth it. Like you said Tim, their protections are novice and not only do they have to stop from Vape injecting, but many other clients and clickers from injecting. Also, while injection into Lunar worked, no one thought I was cheating, everyone thought I was legit cause I used Lunar, but now when I use badlion I get hackusated left and right, even when I’m not cheating. This combined with the fact that their protections are novice, would be much better than making your own mod pack. That’s just my opinion and whatever you want to do is up to you.

 

[rofl]

I still don’t think that using all this time would be worth it. Like you said Tim, their protections are novice and not only do they have to stop from Vape injecting, but many other clients and clickers from injecting. Also, while injection into Lunar worked, no one thought I was cheating, everyone thought I was legit cause I used Lunar, but now when I use badlion I get hackusated left and right, even when I’m not cheating. This combined with the fact that their protections are novice, would be much better than making your own mod pack. That’s just my opinion and whatever you want to do is up to you.

Many persons think if you are not on Lunar client you're cheating. You should ignore them and explain that it is possible to cheat on Lunar client.

 

[gaymoreboy80]

Many persons think if you are not on Lunar client you're cheating. You should ignore them and explain that it is possible to cheat on Lunar client.

They know it’s not. They literally went onto the vape forums and saw everyone complaining that you can’t inject vape. This is why we need to close forums for only vape users.

 

[rofl]

They know it’s not. They literally went onto the vape forums and saw everyone complaining that you can’t inject vape. This is why we need to close forums for only vape users.

Everyone has vape, so it's useless.

 

[GamerOfGamers]

imma get off topic here with the clients and people think using one client make someone legit, because listen, it really wouldnt matter what client you use, if hypixel were to improve their anticheat greatly. like antigaming chair good ig. becuase then vape settings would have to be low everyone would seem legit and even with low settings legit players will still be able to kill you so it'd make you seem legit. But watchdog will never get improved so we can give up on that lol

 

[Protein]

We have never supported any 3rd party clients, don't act so entitled to this just because it may have happened to work on them to some degree. If these 3rd party clients provide something that forge doesn't, whether that be convenience, features, anything, then list it and we will provide it within Vape.

Well there'd be mostly visual things like Motion blur and the fps are really bad on forge and non forge so idk maybe third party client support would be really cool

 

[GamerOfGamers]

Well there'd be mostly visual things like Motion blur and the fps are really bad on forge and non forge so idk maybe third party client support would be really cool

as he said in a previous post its possible and very easy but its a cat and mouse game due to the fact that it will get patched every time a third party client find out that its possible to inject.

 

[Protein]

as he said in a previous post its possible and very easy but its a cat and mouse game due to the fact that it will get patched every time a third party client find out that its possible to inject.

yes I've read all his posts

 

[gaymoreboy80]

as he said in a previous post its possible and very easy but its a cat and mouse game due to the fact that it will get patched every time a third party client find out that its possible to inject.

bitch you copied what i said "cant beat them join them" i literally said that

 

[GamerOfGamers]

bitch you copied what i said "cant beat them join them" i literally said that

when did you say "cant mean them join them"?

 

[GamerOfGamers]

bitch you copied what i said "cant beat them join them" i literally said that

I said that before you and you are clowning around like a second grader saying "oh my gosh hes copying me, what a copy cat, i did that before him and hes copying me" holy shit shut the fuck up, why does it even matter anyways lmfaoooo

 

[rofl]

never expected to see this thread get so big when i first saw it lol, very cool

anyways, i sometimes really don't get why watchdog is so shit... i was gonna say reach above like 3.5 is so fucking blatant, and isn't that hard to catch at all. sure you may false ban a few more players but more skyblock players who are legit get false banned then cheaters lmao. i mean dont even talk about reach, you can fly at 30 blocks a second and not even silent flag if you have your cheat coded well enough. like cmon theres obviously smthn completely wrong with that. im probs being naiive as shit, but you would expect the largest server in one of the biggest games atm to have a little better of an anticheat then what it actually has.

More players you have on your server, more complicated it is to detect reach without false flags.